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ECONOMY: EMPLOYMENT
First meeting of Board of India
Today Economists (BITE) on A Tale of Two Economies: Indian Economy &
Economy of the Indians
Chief Guest: Jawant Singh
BITE Penalists
- Kirit Parikh, Professor, IGIDR & Member Prime Minister's Economic
Advisory Council
- Indira Rajaraman, Professor, Institute of Economic Growth
- Subir Gokarn, Chief Economist, CRISIL
- Siddharth Roy, Chief Economist, HLL
- Bibek Debroy, Director, RGCIS
- Suresh Tendulkar, Professor, Delhi School of Economics
Moderator: Jairam Ramesh, Economist
Host: Prabhu Chawla, Group Editorial Director, India Today
Opening remarks by PRABHU CHAWLA:
Welcome to
all of you to the first meeting of Board of India Today Economists (BITES).
It is a unique gathering in the sense that for the first time we have
a practitioner of economic policies (the finance minister), commentators
on economic policies (the economists) and the writers on economic policies
(business journalists) under one roof.
The India Today group, which has a combined readership and viewership
of over a crore (10 million) has been thinking of setting up its think-tank
on economic issues for some time now. The objective was simple-to bridge
the gap between what is called "real economics" and what is
perceived to be "popular economics". We want to create an informed
debate on economic issues in the times when the economy is not only dominating
the agenda of the government, but economic issues are also getting increasingly
complex.
The detail objectives of the BITE and the issues for today's meeting
will be highlighted in the brief Power Point presentation that we will
just make to you. Let me just say that BITE will be an institution to
help the India Today Group to deepen and broaden the coverage of economic
and business .
Let me now turn to the presentation for today's meeting
Presentation on Bite
End of power point presentation.
PRABHU CHAWLA: I now hand over the discussion to Jairam Ramesh
JAIRAM RAMESH:It a pleasure to wait for a finance minister
who came on time. The FM is here for one hour and we should optimize that
time.
I will briefly introduce the six member panel to you, though I am sure
you have read them.
KIRIT PARIKH: A very eminent macro economist. He has been brining
out India Development Report which is perhaps the most analytical and
comprehensive analysis of the Indian Economy. He is about to start a think-tank
in Delhi.
INDIRA RAJARAMAN: She has worked in many areas, but of late she
has focused more on fiscal policy. She has been working and writing extensively
on Centre-State relations and also relations between state and local governments.
SUBIR GOKARN: Used to be with National Council of Applied Economic
Research. He is now the Chief Economist with CRISIL. He brings the corporate
perspective into this panel.
SIDDHARTH ROY: Chief Economist with Hindustan Lever, which more
than any other company in India mirrors the performance of rural economy
in India. If there is one company whose top line growth gives and idea
of the shape of things to come, it is HLL.
SURESH TENDULKAR: A doyan of economists in India. Teacher of many
generations. He has recently authored two books-one on the India and the
International Economy which he co-authored with TN Srinivasan and a thorough
analysis India's poverty and inequality in the 1990s.
BIBEK DEBROY: Director of Rajiv Gandhi Instutite of Contemporary
Studies. He is one of very few economists who has worked on interface
of law and economics and area that economists have not dabbled in.
We will not turn the floor over to you to express your views and questions
that you may have. After which the penal will make brief presentations-a
tall order for six economists-but I am sure they will fulfill it.
Finance Minister Jaswant Singh's Opening remarks
Thanks you very much Mr editor, thank you Mr Jairam Ramesh, thank you
ladies and gentlemen.
I am both honoured and intimidated to be here among this very distinguished
gathering of economists. I am the only non-economist here. I am here to
learn, to understand what is wrong with the Indian economy. I have been
given a short course at the beginning of the meeting. I look forward to
hearing from all of you not only what is wrong with the economy, but how
can it be righted.
I feel somewhat like former US president Harry Trumen who once said: "Give
me a one-handed economist". For every situation there are generally
more than one options-on one hand and the other hand. I would rather have
a solution which is only one handed and I know for sure what is to be
done.
As a lay practitioner and student of public life what is the biggest
challenge for me? I think it is economic security. Without economic security
a nation has no security. So I have to try and do my bit to achieve that.
I aspire and endeavour to create for India a modern efficient and world-class
fiscal system. I am worried about the state finances. We are a federal
country and states of the union are-quite rightly-very jealous of their
prerogatives. I have made some small beginning in this regard and I hope
we will continue to add to the achievements we have made so far. I have
had meetings on this issue. State finance ministers have also met. I have
requested the prime minister to meet with chief ministers of states on
October 18. We will start with some basic agreement among all chief ministers
cutting across political parties on what needs to be done about the state
finances.
I have inherited some financial institutions that are not in good health.
I have to find answers. I need a regulatory system that is efficient and
effective and yet does not working like police force. The government is
not a policeman. But the government is the ultimate risk taker. Even in
a transformed economy the government has to be the ultimate risk taker.
It will have to cover risks that nobody else will cover. The government
has to provide a sense of security simultaneously to trade, industry,
businesses, workers and to the citizens.
I have some ideas that I am implementing. I have been in the job effectively
for two months only. I believe that a finance minister should speak very
little in public. I have held several jobs in the government by now and
about the finance minister's job I believe that he should speak only when
it is absolutely necessary and only when he is absolutely ready to speak.
I have a programme of action that I will start making public from 15th
of October. It's a full programme that I have worked out and it will continue
till about the end of January 2003. It includes lots of issues that have
been raised here.
We are going to open out a great deal of our discussions in the finance
ministry. A new website of the ministry will be ready very soon. We will
be putting lots of proposals relating to taxation and other issues on
the Net.
Let me just say that there is no growth without reforms. This is not simply
axiomatic. There is no controversy in this regard. And since there is
not controversy I am not touching it. But if any of you wish to ask anything,
you are most welcome.
JAIRAM: Thank you very much Minister. I will now request each of
the six BITE penalist to make a 5 minute presentation on what the finance
minister can do in the next 100 days to improve the economy. These will
be practical and feasible ideas and not philosophical ones. Dr Parikh
lets start with you:
KIRIT PARIKH: I think the most important task before FM is to
restore confidence so that the investment and industrial growth happens.
I do not agree with some of the points mentioned earlier for example jobless
growth. If you look at ASI survey data of organised sector between 1990
and 1997, 1.8 million new jobs were added whereas during 1980s added only
half a million, less than half a million jobs.
So then one should ask the question in the last five yrs one may ask we
have had some slowdown of the industrial growth so again joblessness may
be related to the slowdown of the industrial growth. I feel industrial
growth is one of the key point that you shld focus on. Now the question
is why is the industrial growth not growing. The main reason is not enough
demand for investment goods in some sense. Let me tell why this is happening.
First of all there is lot of uncertainty about what the state of indian
economy going to be. What kind of tariff regime we are going to have.
And this we need to remove. We should first put our fiscal house in order.
Responsibility act passed as soon as possible, proceed with privatisation.
Give a clear signal on tariffs and reduce dramatically or give a programme
on how it will be brought down over at least the next three years. I think
we need to restructure government expenditure from subsidies and current
expenditure to investment into infrastructure such as rlkys, social sector.
Cut subsidy in fertiliser and various other infructous subsidy. We need
to make sure that primary deficit does not keep growing. We need to signal
that we are not getting into domestic debt trap which has to be avoided
in any case. I think if we take these action a certain sense of action
can be restored. Quite important to increase govt investmnet expenditure
and not just govt expenditure. Increasing just govt expenditure does not
necessarily result in increase demand of investment goods which does not
really translate into industrial goods.
One can say what can govt do in terms of getting money needed to provide
investment demand. I think one is certainly fertiliser subsidiy and many
other subisidy can be looked into. We of course know the non-merit subsidy
of the government cost the govt plus Rs 100,000 crore a year. I think
the powers ector reforms is extremely critical thing. The way mr prabhu
was stopped on his track has given a very bad signal. And one needs to
do something to see that power sector reforms are back on track and that
we should really push it rapidly. We need to widen the text base and what
one cannot understand is what prevents us from computerising that entire
text existing making sure of that everyone gets a pin and it seems that
its easier said than happen. One of my colleagues was complaining that
she had been applying for months to get a pin she has not been given a
pin. so I think we need to do that we can ask infosys or wipro to say
computerise the whole system in a year. and you can computerise so that
you are able to check all transactions and very ability to able to check
and would prevent some of the people who are evading taxes. I think enable
banks to deal with their NPS andthat is to be done with an ordinance that
is being enacted and make it effective and I think remove some of the
anomalies you have already made that you inherited about existing financial
institutions, you will have to bite the bullet of bad financial institutions
because of the historicial policy inconsistencies that we have, I think
you will have to reform the industrial disputes act, we need to go with
land control restrictions and reform them, we need to ensure that agricultural
goods can move freely around the country that there is a domestic feature
within the country and realise that today more than 25% of the GNP in
the agriculture comes from animal sector. There is a new restructuing
of agriculture going on and we must facilitate that. So I would really
second that domestic trade restrictions should go in many case have a
common vat so that India becomes a free common market and I would say
that may be pds has not become very effective but it is a holy cow. I
don't know what you can do about it but at least introduce a nationalised
employment guarantee scheme which is much more effective in reaching the
poor and once having done that provided a job security to the poor then
you say all other policies we are going to run on the ground of efficiency.
Finally, for many of these things you will need legal reforms so that
disputes get settled within months and not decades.
INDIRA RAJARAMAN: I think I should begin with the very first point
the finance minister made in terms of what he would like from us. He said
that he would like to have a world class fiscal system and since I have
been working on fiscal policies I would like to address that issue alone.
Kirit said in his agenda that he would like to have the fiscal responsibility
bill passed. When I appeared in front of the parliamentary standing committee
I did support the fiscal responsibility bill because I would rather have
a bill than not have a bill. But there are problems in the way the bill
is focused. In terms fo the targets that are mentioned in fiscal responsibility
bill the fiscal and revenue deficits are to be brought down over a period
of time. The reason I feel that is seriously misfocused is that the deficit
that is the revenue deficit or the fiscal deficit is a difference between
expenditure and revenue. And in order to be fiscally responsible it is
not enough to focus on this difference, what you have to focus on is the
tax GDP ratio which forms the base on which you bill your deficit or obtain
your permissible expenditure. Now the problem with the Indian fiscal sys
and the reason why the world capital markets drew India as a fiscally
irresponsible state is because the tax GDP ratio has steadily declined
in the 90s. last year 2001-02 tax-GDP ratio at the centre was 8.5% of
the GDP since that's the lowest that it has been in the last 12 years.
And we have allowed this slide to take place right before our eyes at
a time when a reform programme was on. Now in part this is because we
brought down the rate structure on income tax and in part it is because
we brought down trade taxes so we are getting less revenue from customs.
In other countries that have reform programmes these developments have
been factored in and there has been well thought of, well strategised
expansion of the tax base such that revenues were protected. This is something
that we have been unable to do. But the question is what should we do
about this? What I think we should do is instead of having a deficit reduction
programme, I think we should have a revenue GDP increase programme. This
has to be spelled out in terms of the rise in revenue GDP or tax GDP ratio
over a period of time. Now how is this to be done? I have very very specific
suggestions to offer in terms of how this is to be done and it can be
done right with the ministry of finance itself. I was a member of working
groups that were charged with the task of projecting direct and indirect
taxes for the 10th five year plan. When I had discussiion within the ministry
last year I was very forcibly struck by the extraordinarly good ideas
that came up from within the ministry, from within the revenue depts for
direct and indirect taxes and by the extend to these officials feel very
frusted by the fact that there views on the kind of supporting legislation
that they need don't filter up sufficiently. They don't have direct access
to the finance minister. These views are filtered out at various stages.
Finance Minister here is not the real thing. I think that as FM and new
FM it would be a good idea for you to be more in touch with the direct
& indirect taxation depts of yr ministry, meeting not just with the
high level officials but the foot soldiers, the people who are incharge
of collecting the revenue, asking them what kind of limitations they face
in terms of collecting revenues they have excellent suggestions to offer
in terms of the kind of legislation that would empower them and enable
them to collect the taxes which they know are there to be collected but
which they are unable to do because they don't have the kind of legislation
they need to have to strengthen their hands. So a certain amount of delving
into your own backyard into yr own officials who in my opion have very-very
high quality, into lower ranks we have some excellent people in revenue
dept. but they feel very frustated. I don't agree with Kirit completely
on his excessive focus on computerisation, ofcourse the absence of computerisation
is a .. problem and the fact that we do not have enough information
on what is being collected and where it is being collected from. I don't
think that is the sole problem. There is a problem of the lack of legislation
and empoweing support for revenue collection officials such that they
can do the job that they are supposed to do. They feel on the one hand
frustrated on the other hand there are revenue targets imposed from above
which they are unable to meet because they are simply unable to collect
the taxes that they know are there waiting to be taxed.
ON AGRICULTURAL TAXATION:I don't think it is a good idea to include
agrl income in the central I-tax because the centre would be as ineffective
as the state govts have been in taxing agri. I think powers to tax agriculture
should be kicked down to the 3rd tier to the panchyat level of govt. I
fully agree with the finance minister that there is a major fiscal problem
with the level of state govts but we have to remember that in the Indian
fiscal system 2/3rds of the revenue are collected by the centre and the
centre has to set an eg in terms of what it is able and willing to do,
I think the answers come from right within the finance ministry.
There has been a problem with the past finance commissions in terms fo
lack of transperancy in the manner in which state awards were drawn out.
I think we need to have much more transperancy. There is no reason why
the data submitted by the states to the finance commission should be so
highly secretive. It should be exposed and examined publicly. That is
the single biggest suggestion that I have.
SUBIR GOKARN: I would like to again focus on one single issue
that unifies all of the 3 dimensions of the crises that was laid out in
the presentation. I see the crises is having 3 dimensions - there is a
fiscal dimension, there is a financial dimension to it in the sense of
vulnarablity and fragility of the financial sys. And there is an emplyment
dimenion to it which is not generating enough jobs in the economy to accommodate
the growing labour force. Now all of this to me is rooted in one single
phenonmenon that is the state of Indian industry, more specifically the
self Indian manufacturing. In five of the last 6 years the rate of growth
of manufacturing has been slower than the rate of the growth of overall
GDP. In other words we are in a situation where the share of manufacturing
the economy is shrinking, it is in 2000 according to the world devl. Indicators
data about 14.5% which compares very unfavourably to achievements of around
34-35% of most of the stationed economies from lowest to the highest -
Indonesia say 26%, china about 34%. Now why is manufacturing so critical
to our current state of eco. being. Tax burden is disproportionate to
the manufacturing sector - one quarter of the GDP supports far greater
per-centage of the total tax revenue. So as manufacturing declines so
does the policy of the tax system. Financial system is disproportionately
exposed to manufacturing to industry in general, IFCI for instance the
worst of the 3. Big institutions has 80% of its portfolio exposed to manufacturing,
the others are around 60-65%. ICICI has enabled to hetch itself by going
into various other forms of growth, various other sectors which are growing
rapidly, but IDBI and IFCI caught in this manufacturing exposure. The
same thing with UTI and in some sense you can say the stock market reflects
the 75% of the listed scrips are from manufacturing the stock market again
reflects generally the .. state of manufacturing. As far as the
employment is concerned ultimately it is the large mass of potential
worker that we are trying to accommodate and that's really the role of
manufacturing. Manufacturing has been the sector that has been accomodating
this group of people. Services accommodate very highly trained, highly
skilled people at one level and very very low skilled with not much prospect
of mobility at the other so it is manufacturing that provides middle ground
of employment which has been so deserved. Taking all these 3 factors into
consideration I think the single solution that what can we do to give
manufacturing a huge boost. I think the 3 or 4 things we have been talking
about repeatedly over the last few years but for various reasons don't
get on to me the critical short term devices for getting manufacturing
back to what I would consider its central role in the economy labour reforms
are absolutely critical I think by not giving employers the - you are
plotting a lot of risk for investment in manufacturing through delicensing,
through trade reforms make business much more riskier, you have to give
corresponding flexibility at the .. that means among other things
labour reform, alongwith issues of exit and restructuring which the securtinisation
ordinance in principle addresses quit effectively because that has to
be implemented more carefully. The 2nd more constraint on manufacturing
I believe is reservation for small scale industry as there has been a
huge debate on whether this thing has a meaning any more, its being declared
redundent by the tariff reform by the movement away from restrictions
in tariffs. But still the fact is that it is contrain on the ..
to go once it chooses to get into particular line of business I think
that's completely unnecessary and redundant constrain, I think due reservation
is absolutely critical. The 3rd device is the exchange. We are in a situation
we are comparing countries which have retarded in some sense manufacturing
sectors with those that don't. A very critical difference between these
groups of countries, Latin America and South Asia on one hand and East
Asia on the other is where the exchange rate is relative to where it should
be. The tendency to have a over value exchange rate is highly damaging
manufacturing and given that we have this huge buffer now the time is
very clearly on us to expand domestic demand for foreign currency which
is the way to get the exchange rate by some sort of more realistic track.
There were some devices in the budget which expanded domestic demand.
I think that has been taken forward very significantly. Prudential norms
are all fine but basically Indians have to dole out more dollars if exchange
rate to look more realistic. These are basically the short term immediate
devices, I think on the longer term issues relating to power and transport
are absolutely critical .. as refered to power sector reforms. But
ultimately I think all of the problems that we faced with have to be paradoxically
a very simple and ulmost single point solution. We get manuf. Back on
track, we get manufacturing growing at 3 or 4% points above GDP which
is what we had for a very brief shining period in 1990s and which dealt
with a majority of our problems.
JAIRAM RAMESH: The single most important action that FM can take
to revive is to remove the fiscal anomalies in the textile industry. We
are the only country in this world which has followed textile first strategy.
We had a planned killing of the textile industry. We killed it through
SSI reservation, fiscal regime - which we have not been to correct, which
is entirely in your domain. If you can promise a world class fiscal regime
for the textile industry, there wold be more jobs, more exports and a
big boost to growth. There is a critical link between the health of the
industry and textile industry. licensing, reservation and fiscal policy
has killed it.
SIDDHARTHA ROY: The progress of employment growth has been tardy.
Employment elasticity has come down dramatically, particularly in agriculture
and in community and social services. Nearly zero in agriculture. When
elasticity comes down, not everything is bad. It may show that productivity
is going up.
But one thing is clear unless output grows employment will not grow. Also
at the end of the day the output has to be consumed. So there has to be
demand for the output to grow.
If you look at fiscal struxcture in the country - incidence of tax after
the manufacturing price is you take out the trader's margin - the incidence
of tax including sales tax and central tax is around 33-51%. That's the
kind of incidence that you have. Assuming you have some kind of price
elasticity for the consumer and your bring it down to certain respectable
l;evel the demand is likely to expand. In 1993-94, the tolietries taxed
at 70%. In 1997-987, came down to 30%. Total revenue collected in 1993-94
was Rs 130 crore. In 1997-98, Rs 396 crore - almost three times. A part
of natural growth and also a part of lot more people got into the sector.
What is the tax incidence in various sectors - we have to look at.
Cascading effect of taxation is very severe. A simple calculation: Raw
material 10% CST, another 10% crossing charges, intermediate taxed at
10% and another 10% as crossing charges which is the semifinished product.
Now on the final product tax of 10%. So total will come to around 177%.
Take some other country - which has got similar processing charges but
not the same kind of processing charges where the total tax will work
out to 143%. So industry becpome quite uncompetitive unless we remove
these anomalies from the tax structure.
Small base on which entire indirect tax is imposed. If we can enlarge
this base - lot of exemption, go to services. Of course all shld be done
within the framework of VAT.
What has happened to textiles industry is going to happen to plantation
industry. Direct and indirect employment is 1.5-2 million. And a large
number of them are women coming from the underprivileged class. Social
cause - hospitals and schools built to the plantation. Internationally
prices of plantations produce is coming down. So as a result Indian planation
products are becoming uncompetitive. If you look at sri Lanka, Vietnam,
China - all these charges are borne by the government. If nothing is done
- they will soon go the way of textile industry. From the employment and
citizen security point of view - it is imp.
Special economic zones: Many units are located close to the source of
raw material - many of them may be EOU like diamonds but there need not
necessarily be SEZ in the area. So it may be better that we allow certrain
unit which is exporting - say for the last three years etc - provide them
facilities which SEZ units are allowed and call them virtual SEZs or something
like that.
Unless you spur demand there is no way you can have higher growth - from
the consumption side.
JAIRAM RAMESH: Example is in IT and cellular industry - the market
boomed when tax rationalised. This has not been tried aggressively in
the market but it can help grow a number of industry.
SURESH TENDULKAR: It is wrong to say that jobless growth. Yes that's
the case in the organised sector but overall if you look at jobs in the
1990s have grown. Disinvestment: very conflicting signals are coming out
of the govt. I think the PM says there shld be discussion. That's ok but
discussion shld have happened in the cabinet. But many of those issues
shld have been resolved within the cabinet. Its giving conflicting signals
and eroding the credibility of the disinvestment process. The modality
has to be determined in each individual case. But the general policy has
been laid and we shld stick to it. But now there are several channels
that are being opened - strategic or etc. It was a good idea to take the
PSU out of the administrative ministry because- in disinvestment options
are going to diminsh. It is important for the govt to get out of the commercial
enterprises.
Use of disinvestment funds - the recomemdnations have not been implemented
which would have helped sell disinvestment. Putting the proceeds to bridge
the fiscal deficit is something that's eroding the usefulness of disinevstment
Time-bound reduction in tariff. India has one of the highest tariffs
in the world. The industry is protected. Unfortunately there has not been
pre-announced reduction in tariffs. It has been in bits and pieces. As
a result of lifting of QRs, tariffs on consumer goods has gone up more
than 50%. Overall tariff rate has gone up from 25% to 35%. Tariff rates
need to be brought down in pre-announced fashion.
Labour reforms: Yashwant had suggested a good compromise to increase
the approval to 1000 workers and increase the retrenchment allowance from
15 days to 45 days. But the problem is many enterprise is cash strapped.
Have an unemployment fund., which is a must. In a boom period it would
have been easire but still.
It is paradoxical that you have indian labour conference in which three
parties come together but parties have not opened the communication lines
to the trade unions opened to them. This shld hjave been the first step
to build a consensus. There is a shaky protection of existing workforce
in the orgzed sector. Essentially allowing orderly retrenchment and exit
- that is choice that needs to be posed and discussed. Distinction needs
to be made between job security and employment security. Growth has resulted
in jobs no doubt about it. During boom there was significant growth in
employment, including the informal sector.
BIBEK DEBROY: Much of what we are witnessing is negative sentiments.
Some of those sentiments are related to privatisation, suresh prabhu,
there were reports that fertliser reform will not happened.
What is wrong in depiction of what is wrong. Its extremely urban. If
we have to achieve 8% growth then we need agriculture reforms. A big mess
- profitability squeezed, growth and output decelerating. On agriculture
long agenda of reforms - agriculture being state subjesct the problem
is which govt will implement it. We have inserted a principle in the devolution
of funds in power sector and some of these urban funds linked to reform
Downsizing govt. True that central govt 3.2 million does not amount
anything but its impot in sending out signals. Imp in imparting signals
to state which are in grave financial state.
Governance: We have all thse central sector schemes which are
totally useless. Make them completely decentralised and lean and reinvented.
Planning commission has done any number of schemes saying they are extremely
uselss.
Right to information Act without the caveat
Tax issues: Import duty: clear timeframe for reduction of duty.
Protection - imp to exchange rate depreciates. Difficult to engineer except
one can try and do is ease slowly some of the controls on capital account.
Direct taxes: I would like exemptions to go - but time not right. Other
things - procedures can be simplified. On indirect taxes: I am not sure
VAT is going to happen in complete sense by the next budget. At least
CSt shld go - there shld be single 16% next year. No deviation from that.
JAIRAM: Mr minister you may want to respond to some of these issues:
JASWANT SINGH
The Finance Minister's Closing Remarks
Thank you very much. I am richer after the discussions. I agree
with what you say about the sentiments. I must respond to one or two things.
On subsidies, I was interested to learn from IMF economist Nocholas Stern
that daily subsidies on agriculture in Western Europe, US and Canada are
around $100 billion. A single cow merits a subsidy of $2.5 per day in
the US. And a cow earns a subsidy of $7 a day in Japan. Now in the face
of all this when as a non-economist I am told subsidy is bad and should
be abandoned, I am really left very confused. I admit to Mr Debroy that
I did not mention agriculture but its not that agriculture is was out
of my consciousness. For somebody whose home is in a village and who is
born in a village, that is impossible. But I am really not in a position
to reduce agriculture subsidy. Food security is an essential security
for us. There is no country which will feed 1 billion people.
(Interruption by economists): The point was that 60 per cent of the fertiliser
subsidy goes to some gold-plated industrial units, not to the farmers.
THE MINSITER CONTINUES: Perfectly legitimate. That fertiliser subsidy
is not going to the farmer like kerosene subsidy. It is not benefiting
the poor but those who are adulterating it.
On computerization of tax adminstration, the day I took over I had set
a target--and I have already achieved partly-of computerization of 62
centres. I have set them a target of total computerisation and allottment
of all PAN.
Value added tax is one of the issues we are discussing on 18th October.
There is an agreement and some states have already enacted relevant laws.
Will I get one uniform value added tax across the country on October 18?
May be not. But I would have taken significant steps forward.
There are number of other issues. On disinvestment I would like to mention
it is unfortunate that the debate trickled out from the Cabinet conclaves
to an issues that is discussed in newspapers. It would have been ideal
if the issue wasn't so discussed. It is not as if disinvestment has been
abandoned, it's far from abandoned. But disinvestment is not synonymous
with reform. Economic reform programme is a much larger programme - and
to make disinvestment synonymous with only strategic sale would also be
oversimplification.
Of course every disinvestment issue must be addressed on the basis of
the requirement of the particular PSU in question. And that is what is
being done. But it would be an error to judge individuals or a government
against just one criteria, which is do you pass the bill on this particular
issue or do you not pass the bill.
There has been an absence of capital investment in agriculture for a
length of time. We have lived on what we had. The dilemma is that it is
partly a state subject. Building infrastructure will be crucial. One of
the purposes of connecting all villages with population of 500 is to build
infrastructure.
What has minimum support price done? It has destroyed the mandi systems
of the country. I am a failed farmer and I speak from experience. Of course,
the villager trader (adhatiya) looted us. I was one of the victims. I
was indebted to adhatiyas. But nevertheless there was a village marketing
system that minimum support price destroyed. It is very difficult to restore
that. Government has become the biggest adhatiya. So lets not blame FCI
alone. Over the years all of us have brought about the world biggest and
most inefficient adhatiya in the world, that is the Food Corporation of
India.
You will have all these issues in the next one month on the Net. Largely,
the economic situation of the country. How I am looking at the future
fiscal position. What kind of tax reforms we are thinking of. I am trying
to demystify all this business of budget making.
The economists are most welcome to tear me to shreds, give advice and
to say occasionally that what I am doing is fine.